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This is a good overview of the data that backs up what I’ve been hearing anecdotally from schools all over the country: that this has been an absolute nightmare for kids. Some other stuff I’ve heard from schools about behavior problems:
- Little kids have been supervised by teenage relatives for so long that they have no idea what kind of language is appropriate for school, or for human society in general and there aren’t many existing protocols for how to address a five year old saying racial slurs.
- Anti-mask/anti-vax parents have, intentionally or not, taught their children that teachers don’t need to be respected and it’s really broken classroom management.
- Kids are just at least a year or sometimes two years behind socially. Elementary schoolers bite. High Schoolers have the emotional maturity of seventh graders. Older elementary schoolers don’t know how to have conversations with other children or how to solve disagreements without an adult.
This is horrifying but my first question is WHY were these kids only getting social interaction via public school?! It’s not supposed to be the job of teachers or other people’s kids to teach your own kids how to interact with humans. There still must be a couple hours a day and some whole off days they get to spend time with their parents. Do parents not personally interact and converse with their children like people anymore??
Also why does the fucking article imply that kids are being “harmed more to protect adults from less harm?” Covid kills people and it can still kill them as kids
At no point in human history have we expected a child’s parents alone to be in charge in teaching children how to interact with other human beings. And this is not just because parents have other important shit to do (although that is important).
It’s that it’s not possible for just parents to be able to teach kids to behave in large groups of non-family. The reason that so many kids are struggling to solve disagreements or learn to share or get to know other kids on their own is because the kids who have had loving, engaged parents have been used to having parents intervene. One of the things kids are really struggling with is the transition from the little kids who is parented and gets their wants met by someone who loves them in particular to, like, a human being who has to share a public space with a bunch of other human beings without being too annoying or too easily annoyed. They have a harder time building relationships with adults outside family.
And I think this article leans towards the idea that “opening the schools” is just a button that can be pushed as long as you bully teachers unions enough. But that doesn’t mean that the COVID disruptions haven’t caused serious problems in kids ability to learn to navigate the world as social human beings. And the solution isn’t just to somehow “make schools open” but the fact that we can’t have any mask or vaccine mandates is a pretty big factor in why schools physically can’t open and it’s not an okay situation to be in.
Plus, at some point, this will be over and we’re going to need to invest as a society in helping kids catch up.
And also, like, it’s never a progressive statement to say that parents should do more. Parents should do less. Our society asks parents to do too much. And of course using the word “parent” is a way to gloss over the fact that we know we both mean moms.
“America’s safety net is women” is a really really really really really really really bad policy!
Hey, for everyone else that couldn’t read the fucking article because paywalls, HERE is a non-blocked version saved to the wayback machine that you can read, and should probably read. Because don’t get me wrong, the socialization problems are serious, but let’s maybe back up for a second and acknowledge that the attempted suicide rate of adolescents in America has gone up by 51%. Because that’s something I find extremely alarming.
I think I can kinda see bogleech’s point though, honestly
The decline of emotional and social development of children was a problem before covid, and covid has absolutely made it much worse. This isn’t every household sure, but way too many parents will just give their toddlers and young children ipads and unsupervised youtube time all day because it’s easier than actually parenting their kid. It’s the new TV as a babysitter, with much less criteria on what can be shown and a lot more harmful content
It’s why youtube is fully of content farms that pump out content made for kids that barely has any substance, because kids will click on it and their parents either don’t care or don’t even know. Kids are watching surprise egg unboxings instead of sesame street and are being deprived of the content that stimulates their brain and educates them in such an important time of development
There’s a video Danny Gonzalez made a long time ago about kid’s youtube channels, before comments were disabled on them, and every comment was gibberish and keysmashes because babies were the ones writing. Just hundreds and thousands of comments on these videos written by actual babies
I think that saying parents play no significant role in how bad things are right now ignores a big issue that’s been around long before covid that covid greatly exasperated
Okay but WHY are parents doing that? You went only as far as “parents are doing this” and then never made the next conclusion.
Parents give their kids iPads and hand them over to TV as babysitters why? When did that start? When did kids start getting a lot of their socialization at school and much less of it in the general world?
My grandfather lived on a farm. He had twelve brothers and sisters who made it past birth. He was one of the babies, so he spent most of his time following his older brother Tad around. His father’s sisters lived with the family, and there were people up the road that the young kids could go look in on. Cooking for neighbors and sending your kids back and forth or just handing one of the babies off to one of the aunties, as well as the fact that his mother was able to stay home, meant that childcare was split among family, friends and neighbors. (He was also expected to go work in the coal mines when he was old enough and one of his brothers died of pertussis, I’m not glorifying his childhood.)
My father grew up as the first generation after the great post-WWII sundering of the American family unit and the creation of the idea of the “nuclear family.” My grandparents moved around a bit for the Navy. When he left the Navy, they were able financially to buy a nice 3BR house on his pension. Dad ranged all over his small town. His mom could still afford to stay home full time, but without the support of aunties, mothers and mothers-in-law, sometimes to get a breath, Grammy just said “oh you can go watch TV.”
Both of my parents had to work in order for them to buy the house they wanted in the school district they wanted. I spent more time watching TV in the afternoons than they wanted me to, but when I was young, Dad was at the office and Mom was at class, and when I was older, Dad needed to get this article done and Mom was teaching class. Like many kids of the 80s, I was a “latchkey kid.” I was still able to range over a wide area when I wanted to, though, so I didn’t spend as much time watching TV or playing on the computer (our shitty Apple IIe knockoff, a Franklin Ace 2000) as kids who didn’t live in the ass end of nowhere in a forest. Mom had the same supports as her mother did, which was “not many.”
During my childhood and adolescence, the range of kids got smaller. Turning your kids out the door to just go run around (which is actually super important for brain development and health, having time alone with themselves and their peers, without adult supervision) became less and less acceptable. Kids started to go to the mall, which was viewed as better bc there were always adults not far away, and it was a contained environment.
Then I had my daughter in 2000. I’m going to be totally fucking blunt, here: we were poor as fuck bc we made the decision that I wasn’t going to pay hundreds of dollars a month for someone to raise my kid in daycare, but we were lucky even at the time to make that happen. It’s nearly impossible to have a parent able to stay at home now unless you’re at minimum upper-middle-class. The economic pressures have changed: wages are flat, inflation is ridiculous, you can’t do the things you used to do bc there’s no money.
It was beautiful but also terrible. My mother was hours away, I had no one to lean on, and my partners worked and dumped the baby on me even when they were home because “childcare is your job”. Even when I left them both and got a more supportive partner, we both had to work our asses off once she hit kindergarten. We lived in apartments with high turnover, bc nowadays poor people (generally speaking) move around a lot more than they used to. So we didn’t know our neighbors when MK was little, and I had no one I could hand her off to so I could have a minute of peace, or cook dinner safely when i was too exhausted to cook AND entertain the child AND my partner was still working. Did I stick my kid in front of the TV? Yes. Did she get to play with my cellphone even though the only game on my Nokia 3300 was Snake? Yes. Did I have the support I needed from my community? Fuck no! When she was a baby I was so isolated and unsupported that I seriously considered suicide. And that’s not unusual.
When she was 8, we were able to get a townhouse in a blue-collar neighborhood with a lot of kids. I was utterly determined to give MK stability: a childhood where we didn’t move house a lot, one where she could walk places if she wanted to, and one where there were other kids in the neighborhood. In achieving this, we were extraordinarily lucky, and among our peers, out of the norm. I had a corporate job at the time which I stumbled into bc I’m white and well-spoken and good at sales and could make $60-70k a year without a degree. (Then I got sick and lost that type of job forever, but that’s another story.)
My kid had a much smaller range of being able to go rove than I had, but because we were determined and very very lucky, she could still do that. However, the attitude around free-range kids of the variety that my grandfather, father and I had been? That changed, and the kids tended toward staying in one or the other’s houses bc that would keep the nosy neighbors from calling the cops about “unsupervised children outdoors.” (Yeah, this really happened, and a lot.) And what did they do inside?
Video games, mostly.
Now MK is 21 years old, and I look at the families starting in her generation, and the families I know. The ones who are doing well in this specific sense, with a minimum of screen time, either:
- Live near family
- Live in a polycule
- Have the money to hire someone full time
And if they don’t have those things, then even before the pandemic, the answer is “give the baby a fucking iPad so you can fold laundry or take a shit in peace.” And that’s no different than when I put MK in front of a TV with Ice Age on for the 900th time so I could make lunch or brush my teeth without her literally hanging from me or go shut myself in a closet and breathe for a minute.
In the industrialized world, and especially in the United States, we expect parents to be able to both work FT jobs - and most parents are working 50-60 hours a week or have multiple jobs; keep houses clean enough to be shown on Zoom calls every fucking day; feed, bathe, and help their children with an absolutely monstrous and out-of-scope amount of homework; manage the activities and appointments necessary for a well-rounded child bc “structured activities” have replaced free-range kids, to the detriment of those children; and somehow in the middle of that, find enough time to take a goddamned shit in peace without handing the child some kind of technological distraction for 5 fucking minutes.
Add on top of this the fact that I really wanted MK, I love her to pieces, I think she’s the best thing I’ve ever done with my life, I had 12 miscarriages trying to have another kid (or at least open to it) bc I wanted a big family when I was younger, and I still thought about ending it a couple times when things got really hard, bc I had no support. In a lot of places even when I had her, a lot of people had a lot less choice about that bc the right to family planning is in a very practical sense unattainable to a lot of my peers. Planned Parenthood may do sliding scale but you still have to take a bus into town to get there, which costs time and money you don’t have. Abortions took hours of travel that required a car, cost money you didn’t have, and local conservatives are still doing their best to make them actually inaccessible and skirt the edges of the law.
So even if we assume all of those children are 100% wanted, some of those children are being had in a situation where they’re not economically viable. Quality child care costs thousands a month; an iPad costs like $50 a month on the family plan. Fucking bargain, honestly. Grammy isn’t here for them to hand the kid to her for 5 minutes.
We have, as a society, blown apart the family as it used to exist as a support dynamic, done nothing to replace it, placed incredible pressures on parents which did not exist in prior generations and which increase generation upon generation, and then people like you tut tut how we have to blame the parents for this. And really what’s usually meant there is “blame the mom,” because that’s what we always mean when we say “blame the parents, they’re failing.”
Blaming parents and saying “oh we have to put responsibility on them” is intellectually lazy and requires someone to willfully not look at how the experience of family and child-rearing has changed in the past century. The economic liberation of women didn’t lead to true liberation for anyone, because capitalism looked at that and said NOW BOTH OF YOU CAN WORK. This is not an argument for going back to a “traditional” mom-stays-home nuclear family, bc that wasn’t traditional and started this whole mess, and also yikes, gendered expectations. Not for nothing but there’s a reason why the most stable child-raising situations I’m aware of exist in polycules where gender expectations are torn up and there are 3+ adults raising the kids, or in homes where multiple generations still live under one roof.
It takes more than two people to successfully raise a child, and the US has literally dismantled every support structure that parents had, both family and societal, and then people like you have the fucking gall to say mm well we do have to blame the parents actually like parents these days are somehow just all totally fucking lazy and don’t really want to raise their children, they want someone or something else to do it for them, mmhmm, it’s all on them, yup, that’s the answer.
Like honestly, please do a moment of actual thoughtful inquiry into why your brain instantly went to “blame the mother parents” and get the fuck out of my notes with this sloppy, counterfactual, capitalist-media-driven narrative that absolves society as a whole and bullshit capitalist predation on individuals of the damage they have done and continue to do.
The reason a lot of us build found families is in part bc we are distancing ourselves from toxic family patterns, but also bc there is not an economic or practical way in the modern US as currently set up to have the kind of family support and structure that our grandparents and great-grandparents had. Zoning laws and landlords discriminate against multi-generational households – bonus round, find a 4 bedroom apartment or house for rent near you. If you can find one at all, tell me how much it costs!
Like, fuck! I can’t fully express how mentally lazy this point of view is. I usually agree with you but you really fucking missed the mark here.
Ah, sorry, I never meant to condemn things like TV or ipad entirely I really should’ve communicated better there
My gripe isn’t with the use of these things or going to do something else while your kid uses them, it’s when there’s no discretion for what the kid watches or does or plays and they end up seriously behind in their mental development
I can see how I really failed to communicate that though, sorry!! I do agree that the concept of a nuclear family is terrible and what caused these problems in the first place
I probably also should’ve mentioned that the people making the videos just to get money from kids and youtube allowing it are the bad actors here…